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Jason B:

Ske1etor:

One other tip, find out which guys are racing with the rearview mirror on.  If they are infront of you, don't try to pass.  Ride them tighter than a ticks ass.  Sooner or later they will do something stupid trying to lose you and you can strut by.  Beats the hell out of battling corners with some idiot.

This is VERY good advice.  People underestimate the value of psychology in racing.  Generally speaking, most people race HORRIBLY when they know someone (better yet - SEE someone) right on their ass.  Pressure on the track is everyone's enemy, so anything you can do to raise the psychological pressure on the guy in front of you will only work to your favor.

If I'm coming up on someone ahead of me, I like to (politely) let them know it.  "Well buddy... keep it clean and the race is yours!" works every time .

Most people post their best times when they're trying to catch/pass someone... NOT when they're trying to maintain the front position... and it has nothing to do with drafting...

    I agree, when I'm pretty close behind someone it seems easier to race...  If you're not the perfect racer it helps you to see when they brake, it really helps when you are chasing someone - drafting doesn't seem to help much at all in this game -_-.

My rule is, you are not doing anything wrong unless you intentionally hit their car.

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For the record, my fastest laps have been after some jerkoff makes a bad pass, or rearends me, spins me out and doesn't appologize.  It usually results in however many minutes of very focused racing from me so that I can get back in front, not to hit the other driver but to point out how much of a better driver I am. 

 

In Motorcycle racing.. (Which is somthing I do) one of the first things that is told to new riders is:

#1. It is always the responsibility of the person MAKING the pass to make a safe pass.  The person being passed is NEVER under any circumstances in any way expected to make it "easier" for the passer to get around.  However, you can give a corner if you wish.  This rule of course is out the window if you are NOT on the lead lap and the person passing you is. In that case you are not just expected but obligated to yield to the passing car.

 

#2. I'll give you an example of a real life occurence that happened to a good friend of mine a few years ago.  He was holding a line about a foot off the bike in front of him, waiting for a a decent passing corner to get around the bike infront of him in a safe manner.  Going into a particularly fast sweeper the lead bike..well we don't know WHAT he did but he shaved speed, left the racing line, and almost immediatly came back.  However when you are moving at 120mph you are going almost 80 feet per second. In the time the lead bike shaved speed, left the line and tried to come back, my friend had moved into his position.  The result was the lead rider and my friend colliding, luckily they both low sided and simply slid off the track.

The Lead rider was at fault plain and simple, the second rider held his line, as he should have. 

Judging by your story I'd say it's nearly the same thing and the lead car was at fault.  However you have to understand that ALOT of the people online don't understand basic "Laws" or Rules of conduct on a race track, and when somthing like this happens they generally react negativly instead of accepting responsibility.

I am fairly new the Forza community but it is not the first time I have ever raced, simulation, or real life.  I think a lot of what was said here is true.  However, you are always going to have those people out there that race dirty.  I'm not gong to freak out if someone nudges me. I will get pissed if I get rear-ended going into a turn which inevitably spins me out, but lets be honest...this is a game.  Yelling at someone over the mic is pointless. 

I say good racing to all, and at best...try to keep it clean.  All of us at some point will bump, hit, or total someone else.  All you can do is race your race, follow your line, and be aware of what is around you.

 

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Jason B:

Most people post their best times when they're trying to catch/pass someone... NOT when they're trying to maintain the front position... and it has nothing to do with drafting...

i ant trying to be a *** or contradict u or nothing but this is a honest question ifit has nothing to do with drafting then y is it that when 2 peoplt out in front seem to go fast when they are right behind each other than when they are apart? i hope u guys understand my question.

I was just emphasizing how much better a person drives when they have a target they're trying to catch.  Of course, you're going to go faster when you have less drag (you're in someone's slipstream), but people tend to get "in the zone" when trying to catch someone.  You can see their mistakes and exploit them.  If the guy in front of you makes a huge mistake, you don't have to be as aggressive in your driving to catch up with him.  If he's making no mistakes, you know you need to step it up.

The lead car doesn't have these advantages.  Even if he's frequently looking in his mirror, he really can't tell if the guy trying to catch him is making mistakes.  He pretty much needs to assume that he needs to drive near perfect to maintain his lead (in most cases), and that can screw with your head.

First off anytime two cars hit each other it’s someone’s fault normally it’s the guy who is behind, he has the reasonability to pass cleanly if he is faster than you he is going to get by you eventually so just run your line and try not to block him if you block him he may take offense and take you out. But if your side by side or next to each other up to a turn it is your reasonability to adjust your line if your on the inside of the turn you need to stay on the inside and make sure you don’t drift into the other guys lane. It’s his reasonability not to cut into the turn and hit you to avoid a crash you both have to adjust your lines through the turn. Use front bumper or hood view that way you get a rearview mirror if you see the guy come up on your left it’s your reasonability to stay right and not to crowd him in to the grass or wall. As for going off track or if you get hit off track stay to the side of the track you went off on don’t jump back on the track and go for the middle of the roadway. It’s your reasonability to know what’s happening around you. Think of the rules of the road you can’t change lanes without checking your mirror if you change lanes and hit someone it’s your fault.