ForzaTimes Superior Review

I’ve seen a lot of weird stuff on the forums lately, and this week was no exception. I read a car “comparison”, and I use the term loosely, on three cars that I happen to own. I normally enjoy reading others’ feedback and opinions on cars, even if I don’t always agree, but this review really tripped me out. Here at ForzaTimes, it is common knowledge that we are way behind on reviews, with a huge backlog that could keep us busy for months. However, that doesn’t mean we don’t drive the cars we are sent. The three cars reviewed here are a prime example of this.

I had driven all three of these cars before so my BS detector was pegged-out. These reviews must have taken place in wonderland. I don’t want fluff and crap, I want facts. So I thought about this for only a few minutes and I knew what I had to do. A proper review was in order. To make matters interesting, I brought two testers on board. To make matters REALLY interesting, I gave them generic paints so they wouldn’t be able to tell which car they were driving. We referred to them simply as “the yellow one”, “the black one”, and “the motorola one”. The drivers, Racer6c and Sneaky, did not know who created the cars until the end of testing. We had three different assist levels. The drivers ran a combination of no assists, TCS and ABS, and one ran all assists except STM. Also, we noted *gasp* actual lap times for each driver.

Interested? I thought so. So let’s just cut the crap and get to it.

Read the full Superior Review here!

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Evasive Evo - Time Attack. Remade for FM3.

Damn Inferno, hammer time.LOL

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I really don't understand this feud you guys have going. Both of you have put out plenty of helpful reviews, from reading exi's recall post it looks like bruther got the wrong tune for that car. That would certainly explain his poor review. I enjoy reading reviews from you both, but I do wish that you both would bury the hatchet, so to speak.

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Forza's slowest test driver!

gt=flight602

Some great pro-active work.
It's easy to do laps yourself but using 3 drivers with different skill levels whilst doing the review and giving us some hard evidence in the form of times is more useful, to me anyway.

I'm not often found racing above B class but i'm sure these cars would be a great addition to anyone's garage who's looking to race in style if not necessarily being the fastest car on the track.

wow...

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天上天下


Storefront: AG dRizZe

That 'review' really made my day!

(lol)

flight602:

I really don't understand this feud you guys have going. Both of you have put out plenty of helpful reviews, from reading exi's recall post it looks like bruther got the wrong tune for that car. That would certainly explain his poor review. I enjoy reading reviews from you both, but I do wish that you both would bury the hatchet, so to speak.

No feud.  To have a feud you have to compete.  Since I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, it's not much of a competition.

What's helpful about saying a car sucks when it's very clearly the fastest car in the group?  That comparison was one of the most amateurish things I've ever seen on these forums.  Bump it down to A-Class and leave folks in the rear view mirror?  Meh, whatever!  Tell you what, homeboy.  He can pick 5 cars of his choice with similar power-to-weight ratios and I will build them and guarantee you that AT LEAST 3 of the 5 will destroy his retuned (WTF?) F430.

However, if you'd like to have someone who has no idea what the frak they're talking about tell you to raise the ride height and adjust the caster, then by all means, hook a bruther up!

Drive the damn cars and see for yourself if you REALLY want a laff. 

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Evasive Evo - Time Attack. Remade for FM3.

actually...he apparently did know "what the frak" he was talking about. The wrong tune was sent out to quite a few people from what i understand, and without his review may have gone unnoticed.

I normally thoroughly enjoy your reviews, and think forzatimes is a great concept and is very well put together, but this is coming off as very insulting and even a little arrogant.

Pepper21:

actually...he apparently did know "what the frak" he was talking about. The wrong tune was sent out to quite a few people from what i understand, and without his review may have gone unnoticed.

I normally thoroughly enjoy your reviews, and think forzatimes is a great concept and is very well put together, but this is coming off as very insulting and even a little arrogant.

Hold up, my-man.  Here is the TRUTH.  Silverfox felt bad about getting slammed on the Ferrari.  So he's giving everyone the most updated tune.  The thing is...  Since December of last year this car has been the fastest of the three.  All the rest of the tuning has been done for drivability. 

That's the difference in opinion, is that I KNOW the backstory on this car.  This tune isn't some crap that got whipped up last weekend.

Do you want to know what is insulting and arrogant?  Try the following:

"Raise the car up and bring the toe in a little bit"

"knock it down to A-Class! I decided to take some power out, swap tires, and load some weight on it. To control the rear, I dialed the diff acceleration back"

"So come on EXI! You’ve released good cars before, why can’t you get your act together with Ferraris? TDS & Romituned pretty much have it nailed…why can’t you? Look at the cars on the tuning marketplace. Look at the replicas by Gearbox, SW2, etc. They’re magnificent! That’s the standard we buyers are expecting and that’s the standard 90% of the tuners are delivering. We’re paying for a tune and paint. You didn’t deliver on the paint and your tune only works at 2 (maybe 3?) tracks, so why should anyone buy it?

 

Here are a few suggestions:

1. Get a new painter or at least have a little patience when your in the livery editor
2. Get a 3-4 people to drive your car for a final shakedown. Re-tune & release. I would guess that 1 person tunes/drives the car and then it’s released. If you get other people’s input, the quirks this car has would have been ironed out.
3. Test at 4-5 tracks. Just b/c your car does well at one track doesn’t mean anything. Make sure it has grip and feels balanced at multiple tracks. Buyers expect cars to do well at most tracks unless notified otherwise.

 

If you did those, you would have had a good car. The paint reeks of sloppiness and laziness while the tune tells me that not enough testing went on and there were too few testers. You guys have the talent, some of your other cars drive great, so there’s no reason why this car should be this poor unless you didn’t care or were in a rush.

At best, a work in process…at worst, a slopped together paint & tune."

What has this guy done to make him think he can tune a D400 Golf, much less an S-Class F430?   That's no easy task, bro. 

Prove you can paint a car before criticizing a livery, learn how to tune before telling someone what to adjust, and learn how to race before running your mouth about what works in multiplayer.

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Evasive Evo - Time Attack. Remade for FM3.

LOL, Inferno up in here lighting the place up a bit.

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My laptop is still smoking. 

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FCF_iNFERNO:

Prove you can paint a car before criticizing a livery, learn how to tune before telling someone what to adjust, and learn how to race before running your mouth about what works in multiplayer.

Wait a minute iNFERNO... I will reply to this as a customer or how it is in the real world....

Reviews are always about a particular person's opinion. When you read a review on anything on the net, how do you know the person is qualified to comment on it? The person is calling it the way that they see it in their own eyes. Visually out of the 3 cars, the Exi car is the worst. Put 3 pics beside each other and you will see it. Fox even said that he painted it himself and he is not a good painter. Thats from his mouth and not in a review. I know you can tune but how do you know Bruther can't? Just because he hasn't released anything does not mean he doesn't know what he is doing. There are plenty of arm chair tuners out there in Forza land that are really good and don't release anything therfore have no name. Do you know he can't race? Have been in a race room with him?

I know I am playing devil's advocate here but I don't understand why you are attacking his character or opinion. I am not trying to start anything here because I read all reviews and I enjoy reading them but the way you approached this one is a little distasteful...

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天上天下


Storefront: AG dRizZe

Holy crap, I was too busy last night to join, but MAN do I wish I had now.  I too really enjoy reviewing people's reviews...

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Aint Rite 69:

LOL, Inferno up in here lighting the place up a bit.

LOL, NOW HE CAN REVIEW MY RX7!

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maranello729

Aint Rite 69:

LOL, Inferno up in here lighting the place up a bit.

LOLWTFBBQ!

Anybody that knows Silverfox knows that he's just a nice guy, who is trying to admit a mistake he didn't even make.  One look at the lap times shows that his car is the fastest of the three, so I'm not going to sit by and watch him get railroaded.

Tell Silverfox his next car sucks and he won't go pointing to lap times and talking about series.  He'll say, "oh man, I'm sorry about that... let me see if I can fix it for you", and he'll try to make it more drivable even if it's fine.

People have challenged "BS" to back up his results, with no response.  I'll stand behind my results and will duplicate them in a room with anyone who wants to test me.

Painting?  I won livery of the week for my Evasive car... and the Shadowrun Z06 wasn't so bad either.

Tuning?  I advanced pretty far into your Evo - STi bracket challenge.  I've raced in several series, given tunes out for free, and helped people with tunes.  I have tuned and painted several cars from scratch, and built and sold a couple of releases.  I know the depth of the hard work that goes into tuning, and the most thankless of all jobs, building and selling.

Reviewing?  I post lap times whenever possible and get guest drivers to collaborate on comparisons. 

I don't know what else I could possibly do to stand behind my work, but I'm sure we'll think of something! 

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Evasive Evo - Time Attack. Remade for FM3.

BravoXXX:

My laptop is still smoking. 

Hey Bravo back in Gearbox I see .

Which reminds me, I have some stuff to do at the Gearbox forums.

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maranello729

dRizZe:

FCF_iNFERNO:

Prove you can paint a car before criticizing a livery, learn how to tune before telling someone what to adjust, and learn how to race before running your mouth about what works in multiplayer.

Wait a minute iNFERNO... I will reply to this as a customer or how it is in the real world....

Reviews are always about a particular person's opinion. When you read a review on anything on the net, how do you know the person is qualified to comment on it? The person is calling it the way that they see it in their own eyes. Visually out of the 3 cars, the Exi car is the worst. Put 3 pics beside each other and you will see it. Fox even said that he painted it himself and he is not a good painter. Thats from his mouth and not in a review. I know you can tune but how do you know Bruther can't? Just because he hasn't released anything does not mean he doesn't know what he is doing. There are plenty of arm chair tuners out there in Forza land that are really good and don't release anything therfore have no name. Do you know he can't race? Have been in a race room with him?

I know I am playing devil's advocate here but I don't understand why you are attacking his character or opinion. I am not trying to start anything here because I read all reviews and I enjoy reading them but the way you approached this one is a little distasteful...

I agree about it being a little distasteful, but totally in context with the things he's said about the cars.

His leaderboard times are mostly in the 3k to 4k range from what I've seen trying to look up his reviews.  That, to me, tells me he's probably not qualified to tell someone what class to put a car in.   I'd suspect that the really good arm chair tuners out there would be in the top 1K.  Do you agree? 

I'm not stalking him so he could be #1 on King Cobra with an R1 car for all I know.

The reason I question his opinion is because it's just wrong.  If someone told you that TDS's (not to pick on them)  AWE S4 was the fastest on Motegi, would you say "that's your opinion"? 

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Evasive Evo - Time Attack. Remade for FM3.

dRizZe:

FCF_iNFERNO:

Prove you can paint a car before criticizing a livery, learn how to tune before telling someone what to adjust, and learn how to race before running your mouth about what works in multiplayer.

Wait a minute iNFERNO... I will reply to this as a customer or how it is in the real world....

Reviews are always about a particular person's opinion. When you read a review on anything on the net, how do you know the person is qualified to comment on it? The person is calling it the way that they see it in their own eyes. Visually out of the 3 cars, the Exi car is the worst. Put 3 pics beside each other and you will see it. Fox even said that he painted it himself and he is not a good painter. Thats from his mouth and not in a review. I know you can tune but how do you know Bruther can't? Just because he hasn't released anything does not mean he doesn't know what he is doing. There are plenty of arm chair tuners out there in Forza land that are really good and don't release anything therfore have no name. Do you know he can't race? Have been in a race room with him?

I know I am playing devil's advocate here but I don't understand why you are attacking his character or opinion. I am not trying to start anything here because I read all reviews and I enjoy reading them but the way you approached this one is a little distasteful...

I hear where you're coming from Drizze and I definitely agree to some extent.  However, you have respect for Inferno as a tuner, right?  Did Inferno have to earn that respect or did you just assume he might be able to tune and so you respect him?  My point is that I feel as though I need some proof of validity from people I read reviews from.  Would you read a review of accounting software written by someone you weren't sure knew about accounting?  I agree with Inferno on this, as we've never seen a car released by Bruther, we've never seen his name on the LB, to the best of my knowledge he doesn't paint and I don't think he's ever won a competition either.  As far as I can tell he just showed up here one day on a mission to write about tuned cars.

And to add to that, a review isn't a person's opinion.  Yes, it will definitely be influenced by the reviewers particular vices, but the purpose of a review is to provide the reader with some base for the products worth in the world it belongs in.  I'll admit, it's tough to remain objective when writing reviews of cars that are made by people you like or dislike, but the end product should reflect that as little as possible, and should be a tool for the reader to gauge his or her particular interest in the car.

Car and Driver employs Engineers and Mechanics to write for their magazine; my point being that credentials matter in writing reviews.

And let me just throw out there that I'm really not saying that I don't believe Bruther knows nothing about tuning.  I'm simply saying I do know that Inferno is, and thus I trust his reviews more.

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FCF_iNFERNO:

Aint Rite 69:

LOL, Inferno up in here lighting the place up a bit.

Anybody that knows Silverfox knows that he's just a nice guy, who is trying to admit a mistake he didn't even make.  One look at the lap times shows that his car is the fastest of the three, so I'm not going to sit by and watch him get railroaded.

but how can you know that no one got the wrong tune? maybe you got the right one while a few other people didnt. i read both reviews, and honestly they dont sound like the same car. driver skill wouldnt make his understeer and yours not, maybe to an extent, but that also probably would have translated to the other cars as well.

from what ive seen silverfox is a great guy, and couldnt have handled it better. i also think that the person who did that review is handling this fairly well by not turning this into a giant flame war.

i think if you disagree with his review than doing your own is a great direction to go, and then people can make their own decision on the car. i just personally think attacking him personally wasn't really called for.