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I didn't understand a thing you just wrote  I have no knowledge of tuning whatsoever, I just drive whatever I am given.

Che or Landin, please give us some input!

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lumthemad:

1st I resent being called a "crap driver"

2nd I am learning still you probably started off very fast,thats nice.some people have to work a little harder to run these events.I could probably build houses in circles around you.My point is cheating is cheating and if you want to cheat thats ok, but don't cry when the sh@# hits the fan.

it wasnt really directed straight at you if your near the top 200 then you must be decent

and no i didnt start off very fast but i didnt go blaming a glitched car when i couldnt get good times
instead of whinging just PRACTICE PRACTICE and then do some more PRACTICE

as to weather this glitch is a cheat or not is unknown at this point

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I had hoped that was what he ment but it just sounded a bit to personel.I just want to keep things straight cause if i'm anything it's a crap tuner.no one and i mean no one can slow down a car like me.

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lumthemad:

1st I resent being called a "crap driver"

2nd I am learning still you probably started off very fast,thats nice.some people have to work a little harder to run these events.I could probably build houses in circles around you.My point is cheating is cheating and if you want to cheat thats ok, but don't cry when the sh@# hits the fan.

it wasnt really directed straight at you if your near the top 200 then you must be decent

and no i didnt start off very fast but i didnt go blaming a glitched car when i couldnt get good times
instead of whinging just PRACTICE PRACTICE and then do some more PRACTICE

as to weather this glitch is a cheat or not is unknown at this point

I am not blaming anyone or anything but it would be nice to know that i just need more practice and not an easy short cut.As to this glitch or cheat or whatever it's being called at this point if people are afraid to tell how it is done in fear of penalty it cannot be OK to use.

lumthemad:

I had hoped that was what he ment but it just sounded a bit to personel.I just want to keep things straight cause if i'm anything it's a crap tuner.no one and i mean no one can slow down a car like me.

i could give you some competition in the crap tuning comp
like factory im a driver not a tuner

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lumthemad:

it would be nice to know that i just need more practice and not an easy short cut.

Simple, you need more practice. Unless you are running withing 0.100 seconds of the top time on any track, that is ALWAYS the answer. With this paticular car on this paticular Hotlap Challange, the "glitch" is next to useless. The "glitch" lets you run slightly worse tires but in exchange to make up those few P.I. points you've "saved" (by making the handling worse) you can add more hp. More hp is only helpful on the "muscle car tracks" btw.

However, this car because it's a heavy pig can already run FULL hp on stock tires. There is no HP left to be gained. The most you can get is worse handling but lighter rims which have little affect in the game.

Run some of the stock career races where you can upgrade the rims... you'll notice a stock Lotus Exige w/40lbs lighter rims doesnt accel 1 bit faster then a 100% stock Exige. Dropping 40lbs of rotating mass should make a big difference but it doesnt. B.S. Anyone else ever notice lighter rims sometimes INCREASE your braking distance in the benchmark? weird.

Summery: Yeah, this all sucks. But if you are not running in the 1:10's you have either missed the build and/or setup and/or need more practice. Don't blaim it on anything else.

TRC's fastest cars this week are 100% legit... With this car/track combo at least, I think the glitch is going to slow you down, not make you faster.

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Smokinu2:

lumthemad:

it would be nice to know that i just need more practice and not an easy short cut.

Simple, you need more practice. Unless you are running withing 0.100 seconds of the top time on any track, that is ALWAYS the answer. With this paticular car on this paticular Hotlap Challange, the "glitch" is next to useless. The "glitch" lets you run slightly worse tires but in exchange to make up those few P.I. points you've "saved" (by making the handling worse) you can add more hp. More hp is only helpful on the "muscle car tracks" btw.

However, this car because it's a heavy pig can already run FULL hp on stock tires. There is no HP left to be gained. The most you can get is worse handling but lighter rims which have little affect in the game.

Run some of the stock career races where you can upgrade the rims... you'll notice a stock Lotus Exige w/40lbs lighter rims doesnt accel 1 bit faster then a 100% stock Exige. Dropping 40lbs of rotating mass should make a big difference but it doesnt. B.S. Anyone else ever notice lighter rims sometimes INCREASE your braking distance in the benchmark? weird.

Summery: Yeah, this all sucks. But if you are not running in the 1:10's you have either missed the build and/or setup and/or need more practice. Don't blaim it on anything else.

TRC's fastest cars this week are 100% legit... With this car/track combo at least, I think the glitch is going to slow you down, not make you faster.

Hi,  IF the glitch is as you say, next to useless, why all the trouble with teams refusing to take part, also blaming Solo (he's done nothing wrong), saying they won't take part in future IF this IF that and so on.
The glitch must have been of some use, having guys calling people cheats, sending hate mail by PM ect.
Fact also, the majority still don't know how this works or who will try it in future,  Guys WILL try to use it if the can gain a advantage, even if they can't but think they can.

Still no official word on this, is it hoped that it will be swept under the carpet and say nothing in hope it will all blow over.   As long as it's kept quiet, nobody can be sure who is and who is not, plus the guys who don't know, can never be sure the playing field is level.

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Smokinu2:

Simple, you need more practice. Unless you are running withing 0.100 seconds of the top time on any track, that is ALWAYS the answer.

Unfortunately it isn't simple.

You make it sound like lighter rims are the only thing you can swap for the tire PI you are letting go. What about brakes? What about suspension?

All this "practice practice" BS coming from the top guys is really condescending, especially when you are sharing glitch knowledge that the common player is not getting, and have the benefit of team members who specify in tuning that the common player also does not share.

Regardless of whether I am in the top 50 or not, I want the top 50 to be a fair competition!!! Otherwise, what is there to practice for?

So what is all this glitch malarkey? It doesn't bode well for the average player who plays the game by the rules, as I'm sure, if its not such a gain? then why is it under a veal of secrecy?

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vroompsht:

Smokinu2:

Simple, you need more practice. Unless you are running withing 0.100 seconds of the top time on any track, that is ALWAYS the answer.

Unfortunately it isn't simple. You make it sound like lighter rims are the only thing you can swap for the tire PI you are letting go. What about brakes? What about suspension? All this "practice practice" BS coming from the top guys is really condescending, especially when you are sharing glitch knowledge that the common player is not getting, and have the benefit of team members who specify in tuning that the common player also does not share. Regardless of whether I am in the top 50 or not, I want the top 50 to be a fair competition!!! Otherwise, what is there to practice for?

I think you are missing the point of some of the posts made in this thread. All the arguements in here have been based solely on matter of opinion, or misunderstanding.

None of the top times apart from Pale Rider's time (for which he has publicly apologised), are using a glitched car. Whilst we share the knowledge of how to do the glitch, we (although I can only speak for TRC) have decided as a club to not use it. Pale has proven to me, and others, that he can run just as fast with his non glitched car, which is the same car that the rest of us have been using.

Being a racer, and not one bit a tuner (I am starting to notice a worrying TRC pattern here lol) I know how frustrating it is to be driving a car that you know for well isnt the fastest build or setup that can be used, when the top guys are doinmgh just that. But I can assure you that the glitched car is not being used by TRC in this HLC, or on any other scoreboard. The top 50 should be a fair place with all major car clubs agreeing not to use this glitch. The main problem with the glitch however is the only thing we have to go on, especially in these HLC's is peoples word that they are not using it and it all becomes a matter of trust. This is never going to get us anywhere and we need Turn 10 to give an official standpoint on this, but their verdict is going to be widely unpopular and will cause problems whichever way they sway.

How about this.  If Turn 10 does not take a stance by this weeks pitpass, I will post the details of the glitch on Saturday.  A large portion of the community already knows how to do it, and I agree that it isn't fair to the rest of  you for us to keep it a secret.  The only reason we have so far is to let Turn 10 come out and be the ones to make a decision, but they are taking way to long.

The leaderboards are already filled with times done by this tire swap, so its not like anyone is letting the cat out of the bag.

We had obviously hoped that we could prevent this glitch from spreading, but Turn 10 does not seem to be too interested in that prevention.  Apparently, this glitch has been around for some months already......

My solution?  Patch the game so that the tire swap becomes available without having to do the weird button sequence.  It was obviously intended at one point to be in the game.  Now that it is out, I am afraid that it is too late.  I would like to second IceMan's statement though.  TRC has decided as a team not to use the glitch, at least not until Turn 10 officially endorses it.  I have never used it, and don't plan on starting now.  Like drafting the ovals, it is an option I choose to not take.

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factory:

How about this.  If Turn 10 does not take a stance by this weeks pitpass, I will post the details of the glitch on Saturday.  A large portion of the community already knows how to do it, and I agree that it isn't fair to the rest of  you for us to keep it a secret.  The only reason we have so far is to let Turn 10 come out and be the ones to make a decision, but they are taking way to long.

The leaderboards are already filled with times done by this tire swap, so its not like anyone is letting the cat out of the bag.

We had obviously hoped that we could prevent this glitch from spreading, but Turn 10 does not seem to be too interested in that prevention.  Apparently, this glitch has been around for some months already......

My solution?  Patch the game so that the tire swap becomes available without having to do the weird button sequence.  It was obviously intended at one point to be in the game.  Now that it is out, I am afraid that it is too late.  I would like to second IceMan's statement though.  TRC has decided as a team not to use the glitch, at least not until Turn 10 officially endorses it.  I have never used it, and don't plan on starting now.  Like drafting the ovals, it is an option I choose to not take.

+1, I can't help but think that they are deliberately ignoring this issue for some reason, Che and Landin must know about it and they aren't shy about letting their opinions be known.

 

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Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about it at this point.  If people want to run an inferior setup, then by all means do so.  Since Che said it was OK in the past, I don't see the point in keeping a dirty secret any longer.  Let people use it and see for themselves that there is no benefit for this weeks HLC.

Tutorial:
Go to any tire upgrade, don't click on it to see the different brands.  Then hit left trigger and A in quick succession.  Pretty easy.

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sixpackjack:

Hi,  IF the glitch is as you say, next to useless, why all the trouble...
The glitch must have been of some use...

This would go easier if you actually read what I posted.

"With this car/track combo at least, I think the glitch is going to slow you down, not make you faster."

My post wasn't defending the tire glitch, it wasnt even talking about it in general. I'm just saying chill out, its not instanly going to gain someone SECONDS... in fact in THIS case as soon as a proper car was built, it was faster.

This is the "Hotlap Challenge Week 26" thread. Not the "Tire Glitch" thread.

It is a much bigger deal on other track with other cars, but we are talking about the A850 DB9 @ Sebring here.

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vroompsht:

 All this "practice practice" BS coming from the top guys is really condescending, especially when you are sharing glitch knowledge that the common player is not getting

"Practice BS"? how can you possibly argue that? It's not condescending at all... its the truth. If you are offended by that idea, you sir, are in denial. I find your comments suggesting that the top guys somehow cheated there way there very condescending.

I suck @ COD4... I know if I played more I would get better, but I know I just do not have the skill to ever become more then an Avg. player. I don't say I'd have the top kill ratio if I used the Glitched (overpowered) M16 all the time. They could give me a tank and I would still suck at it. You know what? I am ok with that notion.

I am lost trying to think how I would answer the following question without using the word "practice": "How can I get faster @ Forza?"... Whats your answer? "Don't practice, just glitch, its that simple."?

What would your alternative be to practice = faster? It sounds like you are suggesting that ANY "average" driver who performs this miracle glitch instantly becomes a Top50 driver. We don't know it's effects, which means that it could just as easily slow down a car. The P.I. system is being followed, which means some times it will help, sometimes it will hurt... on a case by case basis.

About your 2nd point, where you suggest that everyone on a team that is any good is only because they have some special tunes the average guy doesnt have is "BS". Don't believe me? Go look at the results from all the STOCK HLC's we've had to date. Generally It's the same guys on top as any other week... ever wonder why? Fact is some drivers are just better then avg. Thats a statistical certainty.

Clearly I can not overlook the advantages of being on a team, and I'm not brushing that off by saying we are all "above avg" drivers. Teams make avg drivers better, but they usually also contain some of the most talented players you'll find playing Forza. Multiple people working towards the same goal is a huge help... sometimes we end up with a better tune, sometimes not. Whatever we end up with, we usually get to that point pretty quick just because of the man hours behind it. When you get 10 guys trying things, the odds 1 of them hits success is 10 times better then avg joe racer.

Please, feel free to glitch and post your before and after times.

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smokin speaks the truth
nearly every one who is the top 50 now was in the top 50 in the stock audi HLC so its not just better cars.

and also most top 50 drivers didnt just wake up one day and run good times they also had to practice
and its a bit offensive that you think we all glitch our way into the top 50.

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The only way to get better is to practice, BUT not just running 1000 laps. Experiment new lines and breaking points and consistency. You wont get better if you have no knowledge about racing and driving over all, so go learn how to drive around a track, because following the forza lines is ganna slow you down.

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Smokinu2:

vroompsht:

 All this "practice practice" BS coming from the top guys is really condescending, especially when you are sharing glitch knowledge that the common player is not getting

"Practice BS"? how can you possibly argue that? It's not condescending at all... its the truth. If you are offended by that idea, you sir, are in denial. I find your comments suggesting that the top guys somehow cheated there way there very condescending.

I'm not saying that practicing is BS... I do, and really, if I'm competing in the HLC isn't it obvious I'm trying to get better?

What I'm taking exception to was the attitude of "don't worry about this glitch, you need to practice anyways". That is what I think is condescending...

OF COURSE I NEED TO PRACTICE, but as I said in the last line of my post, what is there to practice for if even at the apex of my skills, someone with less skill and less practice could be beating me?

That is a null point anyways now that the cat is out of the bag.

I got to agree with the former statements, that there is indeed no substitute for practice, however nobody likes to be left in the dark. So kudos to the guy who was up front and honest. In light of this glitch, I personally would never cheat because needless to say, no matter how insignificant it may seem to one, it ruins the game for everyone else when there is a cloud of doubt.

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BMWpower:

The only way to get better is to practice, BUT not just running 1000 laps. Experiment new lines and breaking points and consistency. You wont get better if you have no knowledge about racing and driving over all, so go learn how to drive around a track, because following the forza lines is ganna slow you down.

More true words could not be spoken...the above statement seems to be an overlooked aspect of the game by those that think because they are good gamers they should automatically be good at a game like FM2.

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