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Last post 08-24-2007, 12:04 PM by ShylockHolmes. 84 replies.
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  •  05-11-2007, 8:52 PM 138269

    Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    OK, so I know most people with a wheel have the off center problem, so last night I decided to take the wheel apart and poke around. As for the force feedback when I opened the wheel up I replaced the motor with one that was in a Logitech force pro ( the momo one). The centering on the motor feels a little stronger but the force feedback is still rather weak, so I know the motor in the wheel has the potential to be like the pc’s force feedback, the gearing of the wheel is identical so it’s up to the game as to the sensitivity of this. As I understand it the force feedback is not adjustable in this game, maybe we need to see if turn 10 can put a patch up so this is adjustable, but we will leave that to another thread. OK on to the centering fix.

     

    The first thing you need to do is get a game going and take note of the position the wheel is in when you’re driving straight, mine was significantly off to the right

     

    Mine was significantly off to the right( this picture is somewhat of an exaggeration) so now that you determine how far the wheel is off take the bottom cover of the wheel off. This is what you will see

     

    The next thing you’re going to look at is the sensor for the wheel position. It’s a brown circuit board directly behind the wheel.

     

    In the center of this you will see a white plastic half moon, this is the gear that we are going to re-position.

     

    Now here is where it gets tricky, you need to rotate the wheel to the position that it is when you’re driving straight. So earlier you made a note of this position, set your wheel as close to this as possible and take note of the angle the half moon on the gear is. The reason your doing this is because the sensor believes that at that particular angle the wheel is straight. So note where it is at, mine was angled to the right just a hair as you can see in the picture. Next you can unplug the wire going to the sensor, and then remove the 2 silver screws holding the sensor in and remove it, try to pull it straight out and keep the sensor from moving.

     

    So this is the sensor removed. The next step is to remove all of the screws from the metal plate, there marked in red

     

    The next step is to pull the metal plate apart from the gears, be careful as the wires travel though the plate, so separate it and keep that in mind. Also pay attention to the motor as to not hit the circuit board on the right. After its separated take a look at the gearing. Look as to where the half moon gear is and you will see it. Look at the center of the main gear and where it comes through the plastic shaft there is another gear that drives the sensor gear.

     

    Now that you see how everything works you will get an idea of what needs to be done. You need to reposition the sensor gear. Keep in mind when doing this your keeping the sensor gear in the same position but moving the bigger gear(the wheel). So once you pull the plate off push the sensor gear out of the metal plate so it is sitting on the plastic tray like in the above picture. Position the wheel so that it is straight relative to the unit. In the picture below I used the 3 plastic lines and eyed it up to the chrome to try and center it, but you can do it whatever way works best for you.

     

    Now that the wheel is straight we need to get the gear in the proper position. The gear should be resting on the plastic “tray” if you push the gear away you can spin it freely and then slide it back toward the main gear, this is rather tricky so be patient. Get it where you think is right and slide the metal plate down and take note of where the sensor gear is, if you need to you can look at the sensor itself and note the angle at which it was at when you removed it. This takes some trial and error of repositioning the gear until it’s just right.   Now that the gear is in place put the screws back in the metal plate and the sensor back on. Before you put the cover back on carefully test it to make sure the wheel is centered, if its not remove the plate and try to reposition the sensor again, but if your very careful when you position the sensor you should be able to get it right the first time. Here is the wheel straight


    Hopefully this helped, one small note, if you can’t find a screw driver they sell a multi star drive set at harbor freight, this is what I used. If you have any questions  or a better way to do this please post so others will know.

     

     

     

  •  05-11-2007, 8:56 PM 138278 in reply to 138269

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Thank you for the helpful post. Great walkthrough! :D

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  •  05-11-2007, 8:58 PM 138281 in reply to 138269

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Thank you!, now Skate Zilla can fix his wheel without my help. It is very tricky when you try to put all the gears back in the same position they were, so if you lack the patience or think its too much for you dont do it or you'll end up with a wheel that still centers to one side or the other.

    Thanks again for the pictures.


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  •  05-11-2007, 9:07 PM 138296 in reply to 138281

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Chewbacca IV:

    Thank you!, now Skate Zilla can fix his wheel without my help. It is very tricky when you try to put all the gears back in the same position they were, so if you lack the patience or think its too much for you dont do it or you'll end up with a wheel that still centers to one side or the other.

    Thanks again for the pictures.



    im still trying to get my wheel open,,, lol

    But the guide shows me some, but I still need more detailed steps, lol...

    I woulnt mind a video, x

    Im Gonna use Telemetry mode of the demo to see if my wheel is centered correctly or if the FFB Motors are causing it,

    but it sits to the left, and kinda goes back and forth between the offset and center,

    actually someone posted a video of exactly what my wheel does, in game, dashboard, etc etc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B3LKlieAE

    Skate Zilla
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  •  05-11-2007, 9:09 PM 138303 in reply to 138269

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    smracer31 since u are so good at modding the 360 wheel do u know how to add a handbrake lever to it?

    cuz i find that i had to stretch my thumb to press the A is annoying

    Gamertag - kfcheung
  •  05-11-2007, 9:31 PM 138335 in reply to 138303

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    in theory its possible, you need a switch to tie into the a button. i havent pulled the wheel face off, so may be able to remove the a button and move it but im guessing its on a circuit board. somebody created a shifter and he used switches from radio shack, search for his thread, the wiring would be identical to that but your tapping into a different wire.
  •  05-11-2007, 10:21 PM 138425 in reply to 138335

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    after viewing my input data in the telemtry mode, my wheel appears to be centered, but it does do the bouncing as show in this video in both Dashboard and games.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B3LKlieAE

    Skate Zilla
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  •  05-11-2007, 10:23 PM 138429 in reply to 138335

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    smracer31:
    in theory its possible, you need a switch to tie into the a button. i havent pulled the wheel face off, so may be able to remove the a button and move it but im guessing its on a circuit board. somebody created a shifter and he used switches from radio shack, search for his thread, the wiring would be identical to that but your tapping into a different wire.


    i found the one skatezilla made his shifter mod but u know im totally a SUPER NEWB when it comes to electronics so maybe u can show me how to wire the shifter to the a button so i can use the shifter as handbrake instead of gear shifting

    btw i couldnt find any tutorial so i'll appreciate it if u can make one

    thanks

    Gamertag - kfcheung
  •  05-11-2007, 10:36 PM 138449 in reply to 138429

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    smracer is that a kyosho inferno GT hiding behind your wheel??? looks alot like mine :)




  •  05-11-2007, 11:09 PM 138502 in reply to 138296

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Skate Zilla:
    Chewbacca IV:

    Thank you!, now Skate Zilla can fix his wheel without my help. It is very tricky when you try to put all the gears back in the same position they were, so if you lack the patience or think its too much for you dont do it or you'll end up with a wheel that still centers to one side or the other.

    Thanks again for the pictures.



    im still trying to get my wheel open,,, lol

    But the guide shows me some, but I still need more detailed steps, lol...

    I woulnt mind a video, x

    Im Gonna use Telemetry mode of the demo to see if my wheel is centered correctly or if the FFB Motors are causing it,

    but it sits to the left, and kinda goes back and forth between the offset and center,

    actually someone posted a video of exactly what my wheel does, in game, dashboard, etc etc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B3LKlieAE


    I had the same problem and returned the wheel for a new one today.  Haven't gotten to try it out yet, so I'm a bit nervous.

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  •  05-11-2007, 11:22 PM 138529 in reply to 138502

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Cool mines not the only one that does that, I also had trouble with the paddle shifter squeaking though.
    SINE METU.
  •  05-11-2007, 11:29 PM 138540 in reply to 138529

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Thanks for posting this!

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  •  05-11-2007, 11:40 PM 138554 in reply to 138540

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    ok im about to try and fix mine but I have a couple of Q
    1. Im not really going to mess around with the sensor gear but with the main gear right? because is that the case then you need to correct the next because is somewhat confuising if not can you explain better the next quote?
    "You need to reposition the sensor gear. Keep in mind when doing this your keeping the sensor gear in the same position but moving the bigger gear(the wheel)"

    2. do you need any special tools other than a screw driver ?
    3. have you done this kind of projects before?
    4. from 1-10 how hard did you find this project ?

    because the best thing I have done right is changing a broken screen on a Ipod lol
  •  05-11-2007, 11:43 PM 138563 in reply to 138540

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    noticed the same as I upgraded my wheel with strong bearings. I thought about an electronic solution to center the wheel position. The wheel encoder itself is nothing else than a potentiometer. It should be possible to install two potentiometers (maybe behind the battery cover) to adjust the centering... But after reassembling with the new bearings I spent 30 more minutes to adjust the wheel, so theres no need for external adjustments...
  •  05-11-2007, 11:50 PM 138577 in reply to 138554

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Flea_07:
    ok im about to try and fix mine but I have a couple of Q 1. Im not really going to mess around with the sensor gear but with the main gear right? because is that the case then you need to correct the next because is somewhat confuising if not can you explain better the next quote? "You need to reposition the sensor gear. Keep in mind when doing this your keeping the sensor gear in the same position but moving the bigger gear(the wheel)" 2. do you need any special tools other than a screw driver ? 3. have you done this kind of projects before? 4. from 1-10 how hard did you find this project ? because the best thing I have done right is changing a broken screen on a Ipod lol

    1. If you mess with the other gears it does not matter. The one that matters is the big one, and you move that one by centering the wheel.

    2. Well, you need the hexagonal star tip or whatever, or a small flathead screwdriver that fits inside the hex shape and can turn it. I believe the screws inside the case (Once you've taken the covers off) can be taken out with a phillips one.

    3. ?

    4. 6-7


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  •  05-11-2007, 11:54 PM 138585 in reply to 138563

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Ok guys quick coupel questions?

    How do I find out if my wheel is still under warrenty?

    Do i need a receipt?

    Heres my problem i went to plug in the wheel day teh demo came out, wont turn on, so i put in the battery pack and it has absoltly no ffb at all not even a rubber band liek resistance, i know its not supposed to hav ffb without being plugged in but i dont know if its supposed to have rubber band like resistance or not, like it would if i was playing fm1 on the 360 anyone know ? also i tested the cable its fine so obviosly somthing is blown in teh wheel, how hard would it be to replace whatever has prolly blown, im thinkin a shorted circuit or soemthing but i dont have a clue, should i just send it off to microsoft to fix even if i have to pay?

     

    oh and howhard woudl it be to add stronger ffb motors, i mean would it really screw up the settings or woudl it just use the same amount of power as before even with stronger motos so i wouldnt get stronger feedback

  •  05-12-2007, 12:00 AM 138599 in reply to 138577

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Chewbacca IV:

    Flea_07:
    ok im about to try and fix mine but I have a couple of Q 1. Im not really going to mess around with the sensor gear but with the main gear right? because is that the case then you need to correct the next because is somewhat confuising if not can you explain better the next quote? "You need to reposition the sensor gear. Keep in mind when doing this your keeping the sensor gear in the same position but moving the bigger gear(the wheel)" 2. do you need any special tools other than a screw driver ? 3. have you done this kind of projects before? 4. from 1-10 how hard did you find this project ? because the best thing I have done right is changing a broken screen on a Ipod lol


    1. If you mess with the other gears it does not matter. The one that matters is the big one, and you move that one by centering the wheel.


    2. Well, you need the hexagonal star tip or whatever, or a small flathead screwdriver that fits inside the hex shape and can turn it. I believe the screws inside the case (Once you've taken the covers off) can be taken out with a phillips one.


    3. ?


    4. 6-7



    allright thanks for the quick reply im going to try and fixit after dinner...
  •  05-12-2007, 12:01 AM 138600 in reply to 138585

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Allan screw is one that is truly hexagonal.  For those you need allan keys L shaped or bits for a screw driver.
    Torque screw is one that is hexagonal star shaped.  Just in case you have to explain it, when you try buy a driver.

    Thanks for taking time out to be Captain Obvious, next time post something that is relevant!
  •  05-12-2007, 12:10 AM 138614 in reply to 138600

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    I think I have all the drivers I might need to buy a right size "strar" driver but the question about the tools was more of a "do I need a blowtorch and harcore stuff soldering(sp) skils?" but is that the case then im good thanks
  •  05-12-2007, 12:11 AM 138617 in reply to 138614

    Re: Here Is How To Fix Your Off-Centered Wheel

    Flea_07:
    I think I have all the drivers I might need to buy a right size "strar" driver but the question about the tools was more of a "do I need a blowtorch and harcore stuff soldering(sp) skils?" but is that the case then im good thanks

    nope, no soldering


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