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UPDATE 9/25 - 6:30PM (By Landin)

Alright after alot of consideration, we have decided to do one final wipe to put to rest the suspiscions we all have of certain times set with an Automatic Transmission (AT).  We have debated internally and decided to air on the side of caution and address the community's concern regarding possible glitched AT times. Although we could not ultimately prove these times exist, there were enough suspicious entries up there that we thought we should do a small wipe across the top just to be sure

As a result we have started wiping the Top 50 AT Hotlap entries posted after 7/23 and before 8/25.  This will be the final wipe that will clean up the remainder of the un-beatable times on the leaderboards. Thanks

UPDATE 9/18 - 11:20AM (By Landin)

The top 750 hotlap leaderboard wipe has been completed.   All MT times posted before 8/25 that were in the top 750 have been wiped.  As of now this will be our final confirmed wipe, however we are currently investigating other claims made by the community. Thanks

UPDATE 9/17 - 11:00 AM

Currently still in the middle of the top 750 hotlap leaderboard wipe (MT times posted before 8/25). We are looking to have this done by Monday the 18th. This should also be our final wipe, barring any other glaring problems. Thanks.

UPDATE 9/13 - 11:00 AM

Have not started the top 500 hotlap wipe yet. Going to discuss this further with designers. All negative times have been wiped.

UPDATE 9/13 - 9:54 AM

Good morning to you all. Last night's top 5000 Time Trials set with manual transmission before 8/25 process seems to have finally finished, so now it's onto another batch wipe. Before I set off on deleting the top 500 entries in Hotlaps set with manual transmission before 8/25, I am going to clean up the weird negative times out there. This top 500 Hotlap wipe will affect 14,295 users who have logged 10,735,545 entries onto our 740 hotlap scoreboards.

More updates later. And I must stress again, if you are very precious about your scoreboard times, I would wait until the wipe is completely finished before setting any serious times on the boards. It's the only way to be sure you don't inadvertently get wiped again.

Thanks.

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UPDATE 9/12 - 11:38 AM

The top 5000 ranked Time Trial entries posted before 8/25 with manual transmission deletion is still churning. About 7000 more users to go. After this batch is done (probably this evening), we will have much fewer query search results for the next target batch which is top 5000 ranked Hotlap entries posted before 8/25 with manual transmission. Why? Because the Time Trial wipe will already have removed probably the majority of the top Hotlap times. In fact, we may even do just a top 1000 wipe of Hotlaps. Time will tell.

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UPDATE 9/11 - 11:46 AM

Unfortunately, the batch wipe I started last night (see below) got a timeout error due to being disconnected from the network server. I resumed the deletion when I got in at 9:30 am and it's now back on track. Again, this deletion is the top 5000 ranked times in Time Trials posted with manual transmission before 8/25. This affects a little over 16k players. Thanks.

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UPDATE 9/10 - 6:30 PM

Current wipe happening is all times under 10 seconds in Time Trials. This hits less than 100 people. After that's done, the wipe I'm going to leave for the evening and I'm sure it'll be running throughout the night and probably well into tomorrow afternoon and beyond, is the top 5000 manual transmission times posted to time trials before 8/25. This affects around 16k players, with just under 1 million entries. More updates tomorrow.

UPDATE 9/10 - 3:30 PM

Okay, the next batch of top 1000 Lotus Elans in Hotlaps is nearly finished. After this, we will start wiping all times under 10 seconds in Time Trials.

UPDATE 9/10 - 12:06 PM

Okay, all times under 10 seconds IN HOTLAPS have been deleted. Next deletion batch is the next top 1000 Lotus Elans (so after this, the top 2000 Elan times posted before 8/25 will have been cleared). This wipe affects 1,580 users and deletes 1,186,580 entries from across all scoreboards.

UPDATE 9/10 - 11:20 AM

Hi everyone. Looks like the top 1000 Lotus Elan times in Hotlaps job went through 100% so we're in good shape to continue the process.

The next batch is already in motion and it's all times under 10 seconds posted since launch. It only affects around 330 users so the process should be finished this afternoon.

More updates as they come.

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UPDATE 9/8/ - 3:30 PM

I started the wipe in earnest today since the deletion tool was finally fixed by another team late Friday. Here's how the wipe is going to work assuming we don't run into any more technical hold-ups.

Right now, as of Saturday night, the top 1000 Elan times are getting wiped. This means anyone who has posted a top 1000 time with the Elan gets all their times wiped -- which sucks, I know, but the way our scoreboards are set up with roll-up (or overall) parent boards, if you wipe a time from one scoreboard in a given group (e.g., hotlaps), you have to wipe all entries in that group.

So why the top 1000 Elan times and not all of them?

1). We may, at some point, wipe the rest, but the top 1000 should bring the Elan times back into realistic range. Plus, it's the first real batch deletion since our aborted runs earlier this past week and the devs who whipped up this tool would like me to do these deletions in small controllable chunks -- at least for the first couple runs -- just to be sure the process is working right.

2). The top 1000 Elan deletion affects approx. 3300 players with over 2.4 million entries total. I did some rough number crunching at the office today and it should take around 25 hours for the wipe to complete. I left it running when I left the office at around 3:30pm this afternoon; the process should be done by around the same time Sunday afternoon if the script did not unintentionally abort. <fingers crossed>

3). So is it safe for you to post lap times now? Probably but I'm not going to guarantee anything. Here are the upcoming wipes if the top 1000 Elan wipe this weekend did not break and we can just rinse and repeat throughout the coming week:

- Wipe all times posted in hotlaps and time trials under 10 seconds. This will eliminate those micro-second glitched times.

- Wipe all times posted with manual transmission in hotlaps and time trials posted with manual transmission before midnight 8/25/07 (that's when our recent patch came out which fixed the AWD bug). This wipe should also take care of the early shifting glitch times which were posted before our first patch. This wipe will also be a huge undertaking, likely taking many many hours to complete before it's fully finished.

4). Some people have already noticed that their trueskill rank has also been wiped. Unfortunately, trueskill is built on the same system as the rest of our scoreboards so when I say "time deleted from all scoreboards" that includes trueskill too. :(

In short, the scoreboards will be undergoing house keeping for about a week if we don't run into any snags. If you just got your time wiped because you had an Elan time in the top 1000, you will also have had all your manual transmission times posted before 8/25 wiped too, which means the times you post now should be safe. If you didn't post an Elan time but used MT at some point before 8/25, you're going to have all your times wiped by the end of next week. At least that's the plan.

I'm sorry it took this long to actually arrive at some sort of action, and even then, the wipe itself takes a week or more to actually finish. The truth is that no other Xbox game has had a scoreboard system this big, with this many user entries. We are pushing into new territory and there were literally no tools to deal with a partial wipe of this magnitude -- so we basically had to custom create these tools ad hoc.

I will keep you guys posted on how the Elan wipe turns out, as it will likely affect the direction we take on Monday. Also, keep checking back to the first post of this thread (that's this post that you're reading now) for the latest info so I don't have to keep creating and sticking new threads.

Thanks.

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
http://forzamotorsport.net

You mean a MT time in the top 1000 before 8/25 and ALL of my times get wiped ???

What will happen if i improve all my times set before 8/25 now ? No wipe ? Would be a reason to do some serious forza hot lapping now (?).

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"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti

I interpreted it as any time with MT prior to 25th Aug ...

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Deadly, nearly Elite

I ran into two different people today that said there times where gone.  Both admitted to glitches for a time, the funny thing was there trueskill rank had been reset also.  1 claimed to be a champion 30 and one claimed to be a vetran 33.  Has anybody else seen trueskill resets?

Trueskill is built on the same system as the rest of our scoreboards, so when I say players are deleted from ALL scoreboards, that includes trueskill.

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
http://forzamotorsport.net

chespace:

If you didn't post an Elan time but used MT at some point before 8/25, you're going to have all your times wiped by the end of next week.

Can you further clarify this? I fall into the above category. Will every one of my times be wiped or just the ones from before 8/25?

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I was a Legend 37 before the reset with many Top 10 times in nearly every class..

I feel good, to have a Top 1000 Elan time, so i can beginn hotlapping today, where most of you better wait till end of the week ^^

The reset of the MT drivers will affect a HUGE number of drivers i guess... Nearly 50 % of all players will be deleted end of the week?

But its good to know it will finally be fixed! Thanks! Now, i will try to get my rank as fast as possible back ^^

Battlescore:

chespace:

If you didn't post an Elan time but used MT at some point before 8/25, you're going to have all your times wiped by the end of next week.

Can you further clarify this? I fall into the above category. Will every one of my times be wiped or just the ones from before 8/25?

If you posted an Elan time in the top 1000 or if you have a MT time posted before 8/25, you're going to have all your times wiped. After the wipe, you can start posting again.

Also, change your advertising sig before I change it for you.

Thanks.

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
http://forzamotorsport.net

Hello Che,

sorry for asking again. I am just thinking about to save my hotlaps by posting better ones, which will costs some hard work and i don'T want to loose them.

MT times in the Top 1000 means all times wiped?
Or does it apply to MT times beyond top1000 also? I don'T think so. (?).

Does the wipe apply to times been in the top1000 before the wipe started. Or does it apply for times becoming top1000 after the previous elan wipe begun, also ?

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"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti

IF i used MT in a career race does that count as a full wipe

i think i had to do one race with all assists off to unlock an achievement 

 

Che thank all for there hard work

Forgive me for being stupid, but I've used manual transmission ever since this game came out and I can safely say that 100% of my times are legitimate.

Is the MT wipe for just specific cars (ie Elan), or is every car that used MT going to be wiped?

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If you've posted a time in the top 1000 with the Elan, or have posted a time with MT before 8/25, all your scores will be wiped. Every time, in every board, across all boards (hotlaps, time trials, trueskill, career).

Do not post new times to the scoreboards before your gamertag gets the wipe. After your gamertag has been wiped, it should be okay to post new times and you shouldn't get wiped again.

No guarantees as this is the first time we're trying this, but in theory that's how this should work.

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
http://forzamotorsport.net

Ok, thanks Che.

It kinda sucks that legitimate players are getting stung just because of cheaters, but that's life I suppose.

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GixxerBoy72:

Ok, thanks Che.

It kinda sucks that legitimate players are getting stung just because of cheaters, but that's life I suppose.

Iv just looked at the boards and iv got a few tracks that iv done and im in for the wipe as well, LOL. But im glad in a way as now i can start all over again

 

None of my times have gone yet. I guess I'll just have to wait for a while to post new times.

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O.k. thanks for the info che.

That really sucks. because i have been playing with MT since the beginning. and honestly no cheating done at all! Forza 2 is the only Xbox360 game i am playing (!), so that really really hurts. Won't be playing forza2 until next week with my Nordschleife R3 group. :(

Hope that's the last wipe and finally done completley next week.

best regards

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"If everything seems under control, you’re just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti

that´s so annoying, lost everything cause i just drove with mt - right? u su** & i spend 60€ for that ***

snu:

that´s so annoying, lost everything cause i just drove with mt - right? u su** & i spend 60€ for that ***

just live with it now you can race knowing your not competing with cheat times

Diebacher:

O.k. thanks for the info che. That really sucks. because i have been playing with MT since the beginning. and honestly no cheating done at all! Forza 2 is the only Xbox360 game i am playing (!), so that really really hurts. Won't be playing forza2 until next week with my Nordschleife R3 group. :( Hope that's the last wipe and finally done completley next week. best regards

A lot of us legitimate drivers are in the same position. If I get wiped that's 110 hours of hard driving up in smoke - a very bitter pill to swallow.

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VicD:

snu:

that´s so annoying, lost everything cause i just drove with mt - right? u su** & i spend 60€ for that ***

just live with it now you can race knowing your not competing with cheat times

I agree with you VicD,,, I lost all my times, probably because I drive manual, but the cool thing is I just ran a couple of tracks and am now in the top 100 on both Just hope I don't get wiped again.

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